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Japanese Nuclear Researcher Cautions Westchester on Indian Point

Kazuhiko Amano, a researcher at the Fukushima University Institute for Disaster Relief, speaks at Manhattanville College about similarities between the nuclear disaster in Japan and the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plants. Photo Credit: Greg Maker

PURCHASE, N.Y. – Japanese disaster and research experts, as well as eyewitnesses to last year's Fukushima disaster, were at Manhattanville College Monday to speak about their experiences in Japan.

With the first anniversary of the Fukushima nuclear disaster approaching, nuclear safety is on the minds of many Westchester residents thanks to the proximity of the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plants in Buchanan.  

Through a translator, Kazuhiko Amano, a researcher at the Fukushima University Institute for Disaster Relief, reminded the audience that Westchester County is not in an earthquake or tsunami zone. But Amano said Indian Point is still run by machines and the people working them.

“Name one person who doesn’t make mistakes or one machine that doesn’t break,” Amano said.

Yuki Tanaka, a research professor of history at the Hiroshima Peace Institute, said that in cases of disaster, people tend to act illogically. Tanaka also talked about how many people in Japan were displaced from their homes and had to seek their own living accommodations.

“Many people moved around a lot,” Tanaka said. “It created serious problems in particular for young couples with small children.”

Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness, said evacuation in disaster circumstances is the “Achilles heel” of disaster readiness.

Redlener said he hopes what happened in Japan serves as an example to the rest of the world if something similar were to occur again. Redlener said if Westchester County were to be evacuated, at least eight different states would be affected either through radiation or people fleeing the area.

“Every large scale evacuation is a public health crisis at minimum,” Redlener said. “When you leave a hot zone there is no way to know how long you would be gone from your home and possessions. It would be the end of normalcy for hundreds of thousands of people.”

Former Westchester County Executive Andy Spano was on hand during the event Monday to explain what his administration did during his time running the county.

“If Indian Point stays open, something might happen, but we’d have a big problem if it closes because of decommissioning the plant,” Spano said. “If it were to close, we’d still have to deal with it for the next 15 years.”

Spano did not take a side on whether or not Indian Point should be closed.

Comments (5)

GoodSyntax:

The TRUTH has it right. Great reference by the way.

Yes, people make mistakes and machinery eventually fails, but there are safety procedures in place to mitigate both. Every critical system has a backup. Critical backups have their own backups as well.

And, Yes, the surrounding area will be affected should a disaster occur. But that will be the case no matter what the disaster is. What is Irwin Redlener trying to say, that in the case of a war, major earthquake, hurricane, tornado, or other event, that it would somehow not be the end of normalcy for hundreds of thousands? Honestly, should the unthinkable happen, as long as my family is safe, I'll worry about the rest later. He does have a point, that the area's evacuation plan is severely lacking. Hell, just getting home during that freakish snowstorm before Halloween took me two hours, and that was just to go 20 miles. Imagine a full-scale evacuation? This is not just a nuclear concern, it is a concern for everything from natural disaster (see the Hurricane Katrina evacuation) to terrorism (see 9/11). Our area is too dense and the roadways are so poorly designed/maintained, that full-scale evacuation in a timely manner is impossible.

As for Fukushima, something as simple as retrofitting the generators so that the flooding (not the tsunami) would not have knocked them off line would have eliminated the radiation damage outside of containment completely.

The damage occurred because without operating backup generators, there was no way to keep the reactor cool. Neither the earthquake, nor the tsunami did any critical damage to the reactor in containment, it was the lack of cooling, or rather, more specifically, the lack of electricity to power the pumps that provide cold water that caused the disaster. Then, their disaster recovery plan was to utilize offsite power, but, obviously, the damage was significant enough that off-site power transmission was unavailable. Finally, they decided to bring in generators, and that would have worked, but they could not find a way to deliver the power to the facility (there were a number of issues that seem obvious now, but at the time was likely not a consideration).

Ultimately, without water to cool the reactor, the water in the system turned into steam, increasing pressure until the inevitable happened. The major explosions that everyone saw is from steam separating into hydrogen (an explosive gas) and oxygen (another explosive gas) and the normal reactor processes also producing hydrogen with no means to vent it out. In a high pressure, highly volatile environment with explosive gasses, an explosion was bound to occur.

At this point, the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) is well-aware of the shortcomings that were the contributors in Japan, and has (and still is) performing safety inspections of all nuclear power plants.

Frankly, the thoughts that a 7.0+ magnitude earthquake AND a 35+ foot tsunami occurring at Indian Point is absurd, but I do know that the site was designed to withstand a 6.1 earthquake. Nuclear reactors in California are designed to handle much larger earthquakes because they are in an active seismic zone. Since Fukushima, most facilities are upgrading their safety procedures and equipment, including updating backup generators to be more "flood resistant", meaning that these generators are being encased in a building, or flood walls are being built around them.

Honestly, the unexpected always happens, but nuclear energy has, by a huge margin, the safest operating parameters of any energy producing mechanism. This includes Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima. Before Fukushima, more people died during the construction of the Hoover Dam, than died from radiation poising in the entire history of nuclear power.

Nuclear power simply has the highest energy density of any generating method. There is no other technology available that can produce as much electricity in as small a footprint. An equivalent energy generating capacity from a solar or wind farm would require tens of thousands of acres. Both solar and wind operate at such a low efficiency that even in ideal conditions (i.e. sunny days with no cloud cover) a farm in place of Indian Point would produce just a few percent of what is being generated there currently. Then we have to factor in acquisition cost, maintenance cost and other overhead and we will find that it would cost us (the consumer) 5x-10x as much for electricity.

Keep in mind that nuclear energy, at it's inception was designed to be "too cheap to meter." Eventually, the states and federal government found a rich source of tax revenue and the operating price has just about reached parity with coal and gas power plants - with most of the costs being driven by state mandates, taxes, surcharges, levies, and other bureaucratic money grabbing. Each plant also has to maintain a decommissioning fund, which is supposed to completely defray the costs of closing down and remediating the surrounding environment.

I would be curious to see what the anti-nukes alternative proposals would be. Usually they tout "green" energy sources, but they often have no idea what the associated costs would be. Then, when I tell them about efficiency, operating costs, generating capacity, their faces usually glaze over and they say that it can all be subsidized by the government. I usually respond with, "So you want higher energy costs AND higher taxes?"

The TRUTH:

Get beyond the headlines and check the facts. The nuclear disaster in Japan was not caused by the tidal wave breaching the containment building. The backup generators powering the cooling pumps were knocked out by the tsunami causing the nuclear fuel to overheat. Regrettably for all the " nuclear chicken littles" there is no evidence to suggest that the nuclear plant was faulty. A better location of the backup generators would have avoided the incident.You don't have to believe me, I have included a link from the most trusted newspaper in America if not the world. ..http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/atomic-energy/index.html
Maybe all the anti-nukes should sing a different tune?

GoodSyntax:

You're going to let something as petty as facts get in the way of an anti-nuke movement? :-)

I know that the Synapse study will be cited. I've read it, and the assumptions to draw its conclusion are, at best, optimistic.

Synapse claims that the energy capacity is not needed, because of some of the following assumptions:

- NY can cut peak demand by 1.5% year over year from 2015 through 2021, and this reduction could be considered reasonably achievable.
- They assume that 50% of all proposed NYS energy projects will be built and will become available in the proposed timeline.
- Existing natural gas plants in NYC can be repowered or replaced with new efficient plants on the same site (no incentives provided to owners for the retrofit).
- New NYS legislation will develop approx. 5,000 MW of solar capacity in NY by 2025, and a NY offshore wind program will be created to contribute 350 MW, potentially growing to 700 MW.
- NYC will contribute 800 MW of Combined Heat and Power facilities (generating energy from waste heat in coal or gas fired plants) through state and city funded incentives.

As written, this study does conclude that additional generating capacity will be required by 2021 at the earliest, and that date figures in the assumptions listed above. What is not mentioned is that the energy production from Indian Point serves the open market to provide electricity from Maine to Delaware. No mention of the impact to the other states/regions were provided in the Synapse report. What was also left out is that Indian Point contributes $1.5 billion to the US economy and paid $25.3 million in taxes to Westchester County in 2002 alone. The 2004 study by the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI) also cites $171.4 million in labor income to Westchester and the surrounding 5 counties, and an additional $39.7 million in other areas of NYS.

Does anyone want to venture a guess what would happen should $25.3 million in annual tax revenue to Westchester county disappear overnight, or $171.4 million in labor income for the state dry up?

Is it also reasonable to conclude that in the midst of a very challenging economy and with tax caps in place the city and state will be able to provide funding and other incentives for new projects?

Is it reasonable to assume that 47 of the 94 proposed energy projects will be completed on time and will be able to run at full capacity?

Is it reasonable to assume that in lieu of a nuclear facility, New Yorkers will be willing to deal with solar plants and wind farms scattered throughout the region and off-shore?

Is it truly realistic that the state can cut energy consumption by 1.5% year over year while also trying to attract new high tech businesses into the region?

Here are the references so you can decide for yourself:

2004 Nuclear Energy Institute: Study on the benefits of Indian Point - www.nei.org/filefolder/economic_benefits_indian_point.pdf

2011 Synapse: Indian Point Energy Center Nuclear Plant Retirement Analysis - www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/aging/synapseipreportfinal1011.pdf

2012 NY Independent System Operator (NYISO): Interconnection Queue -
www.nyiso.com/public/webdocs/services/planning/nyiso_interconnection_queue/nyiso_interconnection_queue.xls

housemusic3:

where are all the pro nuclear advocates on this one?

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